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ASomething I can't control.
BYeah. How. But it ruined your mom's life because of her reaction to it or was it also society?
AI mean society was also hard on her.
BReally.
AIt is something people don't see as like it is still a social. Like. I don't know if stigma is the right word, but.
BYeah, But I mean I. I don't know why I associated that. I do did feel that. That feeling of that feeling, but because I mean it's like you're almost animalistic urge. Right. You see, I don't want to describe and turn you off, but I'm just.
AYeah.
BTrying to explain why people would feel that. You know, it's like a. It's almost like a.
AThis is not a healthy.
BYeah, it's a gut reaction. I don't think people are thinking that much.
ANo, no, there's more to it. Like there's also. It is something that's used as like it. Not anymore. But it like did used to be said that if you have with Lego, your children won't get married or like you.
BI. I didn't know about that.
AYeah. This is common because it's hereditary, right? Like.
BOh yeah.
ABut yeah, like it's not like.
BBut I mean that assumes keep having
Athat problem is a bad thing.
BIt's a bad thing.
AThat's circular logic and it is like an autoimmune disorder. Ultimately your body is killing off your own pigment.
BYeah. I mean besides the stigma. Huh. I associated that stigma with Indians though. Like I don't know if I can
Aimagine myself it's across the world.
BI don't know. Like not as. Definitely not as much.
ANot as much. Yeah.
BAnd like I don't know. It's also like I've seen like because here sometimes I've seen Bitlego based people make it a style thing.
ALike, but it's very rare. It's not the. It's the exception, not the rule.
BMaybe. I don't know. I've just not seen people with Lubo here.
AActually it is a rare thing. It's not a. And like it is also strange that like. No. Okay. I'm getting ahead of myself. I don't know that I have it. But like it's strange that I'm getting it at this age because for my mom, she got it after childbirth. Like she didn't have it and then she had two kids and that was enough of like a bodily change that it triggered whatever this was. I don't think I've had any bodily change like that. So I'M also like concerned about like, is my thyroid not working right? Should I get that also tested? Are rising thyroid levels causing or whatever dropping thyroid levels causing this?
BYeah, But.
ASpecifically.
BSo that was fine.
AIt was fine. Yeah. Six months ago when we got done.
BYeah, it's fine. I think right now just don't think about it that much.
ANo, no. I do want to go to a doctor, get it checked out.
BAlthough allergy types.
AMaybe some detergent or something?
BNo, I think it's just a thing my body has started doing. Having an allergic reaction. I've never had an allergic reaction till that Mexico trip basically. And then something went off filter and it just has allergic reactions now.
ANow I mean nowadays they basically have a schedule for at what age. You should introduce babies to what things.
BOh really?
AYeah, because they did the study, for example. A lot of kids had like nut allergies and
Bnot allergy. What are you saying? Not allergy.
AAwful episode, man.
BIt was so good. It was so creative.
AYeah, yeah. So they realized that that's happening because a child's first introduction to that protein that's found in nuts or peanuts or whatever happened not by oral ingestion, which would have been a large dose and then the body would have made the connection that this is a food and I should try and digest it. Instead, it was not introduced as a food and it was introduced in super, super, super trace amounts through the skin from a parent E. You know, just interacting with it. So the body recognized its reaction to that thing as this is an external thing and this is something that my skin will interact with. So then later in life when it was ingested orally in these large quantities, I mean just compare the amount that will get through your skin versus how much you'll take in your body had that reaction. So they realized that introducing these things
Bearlier, I mean that, that, that has been studied only, you know, like Indians. We just literally grew up in a dirtier environment in general. Yeah, that's. Yeah, but I didn't know they had a schedule.
AI just knew there is a. Yeah, there is a recommended schedule. Introduce this by this age, this by this age.
BAnd then you get no allergies.
ABut huh. Coffee reduction. Like definitely the number of nut allergies has dropped after that study finished. Eggs, peanuts, et.
BShould just combine all of them, all the proteins.
ABut a lot of. There's so much content on the Internet of. My child is three months old. I'm going to whatever six months joby age. I don't even first time first peanut butter in the Parking lot of the hospital immediately.
BWhat? Parking lot of the hospital?
ALike, there's a lot of content online. Like, seriously, parents do that first day, first any first time feeding the child peanut butter. But I will do it in the parking lot of the hospital. Insane reaction.
BSo the body is learning about different proteins. It interacts in the. That's also kind of meta learning happening. Yeah, by the body.
AThat is the thing.
BMeta learnings everywhere in our body, bro.
AYeah. We are just a. It is very strange that we define ourselves as one person or like one organism, one being, when like our skin is a totally different being. Our digestive system is a totally different organism. These are just multiple symbiotic organisms who have agreed to sort of stay in geographical proximity.
BIt's. It's called the consciousness binding problem, where idealists who argue that everything is mental, that's a valid position to have that every. Every construct is mental. You're looking at atoms, but you're creating them. Whatever is inside is projecting the world outside. They need to explain the binding problem. If everything is connected by some mental process, why does it feel like it's inside this human skull? Why here? Why is that consciousness being bound to this physical point in space? And that's exactly what you were saying, right? Yeah, it's kind of like a more abstract version of that same thing.
AYeah.
BHow.
ALike why. Why do we talk about ourselves as one?
BAs. From. As we. And that that thing has this origin point in space. Why does it feel like I'm somewhere. That's weird, right? Where so many different things are happening as a system.
AIt's been years of hearing you talking about this shit.
BDid you get it?
AI still don't care.
BBut you get it, right?
AI get it now. I get everything. I get like your. With every topic now. I get even your inner. Inner references. Or at least I get what I think are inner references. But I still don't care. Like, I'm perfectly happy not thinking about consciousness.
BNo, it's just. I wish we had answers.
AI don't wish, But too joyful.
BIt's like I'm looking for the ultimate joy. It's almost like that.
AThat. Which is why you're unhappy.
BYeah, maybe
Abecause ultimately undeniable. And I like being happy. I don't deny myself happiness. You on principle deny yourself happiness.
BAlthough I do feel like I'm storing happiness for the future. Like, I do feel like I do feel that way. Like I feel like I'm working hard right now so I can use the happiness. Yeah.
AMaybe I also think you are. I actually know.
BBut, you know, where that. I feel like I will recognize that point where most people don't, which will be soon. Like, which will be, like, I'll realize, okay, now it's not worth it, and I will start, like, actually being happy. I think I am the kind of person that will rationally come to that realization and start being happy. No, I don't think I'm there yet. Like, I think I'll be more happier once I reach a point. But that was not just about, like, my job or anything. Just.
AI know, I know.
BYeah. Committing to things.
AI don't know. I feel like these are our best years. I think 30s are, like, the best decade you get. And I'm very excited for my 30s.
BYeah. I would also feel the same because until, like, four years ago, I feel I did also. I mean, I didn't imagine myself in my 30s at all. But same. If I were to extrapolate, I would say
Ayou used to be nice bizarro, by the way, four or five years ago.
BLike, what?
AYeah, I don't know if I'll make it to 40.
BMake it to 40 or, like, I
Adon't know if I want to reach 40. Like, you used to 40.
BNo, that doesn't. I don't think I said that. I don't think. Because I've never believed that some.
AAt some point you said something about 40.
BYeah. Like 65. I would have said some. Maybe that time I said 60, but now I say 65. But, yeah, that's probably something. That sounds scandalous, but that's as far as I would have gone. Not more than that.
ANo, no. I feel like I remember 40 distinctly, which I was like, 40.
BNo. Anyway, I think these days I'm just actually scared of, like, what's happening in the world. Like,
Ababy, this is not good for you. Like, it's good to be informed. And fine, you can call me ignorant and you can maybe say I'm, like, burying my head in the sand like an ostrich, but you, on the other hand, are buying, drinking too much of the Kool Aid. And I. I see it from that perspective. Like, I. I really feel like you turn every conversation into one about A.I.
Byeah.
AYou can't have a conversation with your girlfriend's job search without, like, preaching to her about AI
BI wouldn't say it's preaching.
AIt is preachy a little bit.
BHow is it preachy?
ALike, this is my belief that, like, this. It is a bit preachy sometimes.
BOkay. I mean, anyway, we were talking about Something else. And you just brought up something else. It was completely tangential. Like we were talking about how.
AHappiness and whatever.
BYeah, no, but.
AAnd then you said, yeah, everything's going to change.
BYeah. And that was about how I feel scared of what I believe in right now, irrespective of whether I should be or not. That was the point I think we were talking about. Right.
AYeah. And then I said that I feel like you're too into this, which is
Bwhat's making you sad. That's also fine. And then you said, when you talk about AI, you're being too preachy. Like that's not connected to the rest of things. Right.
ALike it kind of is. I was just.
BI was expressing my whole. My pain in life right now. Like this was supposed to be really happy times for me, and the future needed to look optimistic and happy for me. And right now I genuinely feel sad and anxious about it. And that's what I was expressing. And you thought, like, okay, now is a good time to tell him. You are your preachy when you're talking about AI.
AThat isn't the point I made, though.
BBut you did. You just made it. I. I asked you a question about how is it preachy? And then you said it. It's preachy. When you say. You mention AI and say, No, I
Asaid you talk about it. So I first I said that I think you're too involved in this and maybe that's why you're feeling anxious.
BCorrect. That's fine.
AAnd then I said the thing about ostrich. And then I said to you, that's fine. You're drinking too much of the Kool Aid. You bring. Bring it up in. You're so involved. You bring it up in every conversation about AI.
BOkay.
AYeah. And then that followed with, you can't even have a conversation with your girlfriend about her job search without preaching about AI. And then, and then you said, no, you. You took that point to. You fixated on the word preaching, whereas the point I was making was like, you keep. You're too involved in AI when it saturates your whole life. That was the point I was making. And you fixated on the word preach. So you were.
BBut then why did you hook up onto the preachy? Why did you.
AYou asked me.
BYes, I asked you.
AAnd then I said, it is preachy the way you did it.
BLike, if your point was not whether it's preachy or not, you could have just taken the less mean option. Right. If it was. If the point you were making was not about it being preachy.
AYeah.
BThen you could have chosen.
ABut now you are saying. Now you are saying that it was mean of me to say preachy, which we can address later. But can you admit that what I did was not tangential? Or at least I didn't take the tangent.
BIt was time. I didn't. You didn't. We can say that you. Yeah, there is.
AI was. You were not my comment. Yeah,
Bbut you just became mean when you didn't have to be mean. If you were talking about how much I'm involved in AI. We are both agreeing here. You just became mean even though you. You didn't want to convey that.
AI guess not. I'm sorry.
BAnd you. Yeah, okay. You didn't have to be mean. We were talking about a problem that I'm recognizing I'm having. I'm literally telling you it is causing a real problem in my life. I can't get the ideas out of my head. And those are strong ideas that have latched on to how I think.
ANo, I think a little bit is also. It's like a drug. Like, now they're latched onto your mind, but if you exposed yourself to it less, I think it would also be easier for it to get off.
BYeah. But the mind viruses that have attached have also convinced me that it doesn't matter whether I look or don't look at it. It's convinced me that it's happening fast and it doesn't matter what I do. So there's just dread.
ABut this is the sort of problem also of, like, information, the way it exists right now. Right.
BYeah.
AHuman brains aren't equipped to process information at the speed at which it's coming right now. Which is why it converts into dread. Because the more you read about it, the worse you feel because the problem seems overwhelming.
BYeah.
AYou were never meant to see the problem as a whole. You were meant to, as a human, see a very small part of it and maybe, maybe try to fix that much and not even know about the rest of it. So you need to. As you said, none of this is in your control. It's going to happen whether you pay attention or not. What you can do is limit how much you think about it so that you feel less dreadful.
BYeah.
AIf the dread is a real problem you're trying to solve.
BYeah. This is a. Like, on less wrong. This is a topic of discussion. Like, people who, like, have thought about it way earlier than I have reached this point. Like, they were having dread in 2017, 2018, also where they realized what's happening and they've lived this whole loop and come to the realization of like, there'll be posts about how. How I stopped worrying and like got my life back on track because I was actually so worried about what's happening and stuff like recovery posts or.
AIt is an addiction. Everything about it shows signs of addiction.
BYeah, But yeah, it's.
AI mean, you know how like also because the way you're consuming information is primarily through X and like less wrong etc, which are ultimately like places that want your eyeballs and so are trying to say the most catchy thing and that is not the best way to
Bbe consuming X for sure is not less wrong.
ASure. Maybe it's like more articles, which is a more contextual image or whatever topic.
BTwitter is pretty, pretty addicting, you know. And yeah, it definitely doesn't represent the world very well.
AI mean they're not trying to. They're not trying to represent the world.
BYeah, it is. Yeah. A lot of engagement.
ANo. And they know that engagement increases with all these like hyper emotions like either increasing anger or increasing anxiety. So they do incentivize posts that create that emotion.
BYeah.
AAgain, yeah. None of this is novel to you, but.
BI think I wouldn't be curious if this. It didn't have. Have like more fundament like, like if it wasn't so fun and so fundamental. Almost this whole topic. Right. Like this topic is different from other topics that are also.
AI know you believe that. I don't, unfortunately. Yeah. I think it is one of like, I mean a number of world changing topics.
BYeah. If. If it's so, then we all will be proven wrong very fast. Right? What that like we predict massive transformational change and whatever. Like most people who predict.
APlease don't say we.
BYeah, I will say we. Right. We as in people who believe like what I believe.
AIf I'm sitting in the room and you say we will be proven wrong as if you and AI truthers are a we.
BNo, we're not.
AI mean it is, but it's kind of creepy to talk about it like a collective.
BWhy is it creepy?
AI don't know.
BIt feels those people actually want to say, yeah, we do believe this thing. Like what is wrong with saying something like that?
AI don't know.
BWhen I talk about it and we are happy to be wrong.
AThis is creeping me out. Like when I talk about beliefs on any topic that I have, I talk about them as my beliefs. I don't talk about the beliefs of the collective. Like if I talk about a Democrat policy, I Talk about. Yeah, I don't think Gavin Newsom is. Whatever. I don't say we, the Bernie Sanders truthers, believe this. And like, we are having.
BIt's a very different implication. I'm saying all of these people have arrived at those conclusions, looking at some evidence and some extrapolation and some theories, and they all have come to the same belief. And now we, those people who believe this as is being collectively.
AYeah, but the way you're saying it is kind of culty as.
BInstead of like, I don't understand what's culty about science. Like, like, when tobacco is like, it was proven that it happened harmful. There were some people who believed it. And those people would build trust amongst themselves and. And to the outside world, they would have to say, like scientists, we. We believe that this is causing this, and that's how truth, like, propagates in society. It occurs, spreads, and that's how any idea spreads. Right. Which might be the truth.
AI'm not. This is not a hill I want to die on. Say we.
BYeah, I mean, okay. I mean, also, I don't care.
ALike, it's just a minor, like, aesthetic thing that I was like, that's creeping me out when you talk about this Internet collective of like.
BIt's not an Internet collective. It's normal people who, who happen to post on Less. Wrong. I wouldn't call the Twitter people that. But rationalist is like the community. Like, like people have entered into the like. It's a broad umbrella term. And I also wouldn't call myself a rationalist. Like, I haven't, like, read their fundamental books and stuff that they have. But the whole cult is about, if you want to call it a card, is about living a rational life. So even if you were to have a set of beliefs, wouldn't you align with people who actually reason about things?
ANow you're conflating my objection of the word V2 with my objection to the society you are associating with. My problem is not who you're using the V with. My problem is just you using the word we for anything.
BYeah, yeah, I understood that. Yeah, I did.
ASo I don't. I'm not going to answer this question because I think it is not what you're trying to ask.
BYeah, yeah, fair. This is separate. I see. They're different things. Yeah, I was just. I don't know why I said that. Maybe just.
AYeah.
BLike, was thinking about something.
AOf course the answer is that, yes, I do believe that a group of people who think rationally about things is the Better group to align to if you had to pick something. But that doesn't mean that this group, even though that's their purported central pillar, is actually doing that. Yeah, I don't know enough about them. I don't know. I'm not going to endorse this group or criticize this group, but that was never my problem.
BYeah, yeah. You just said we screaming you out, that's fine. But yeah. Anyway, where were we? What were they saying? We believe that AI is arriving soon. Yeah. So that like I don't think it's a cult, like whatever before we were calling it a cult is it's falsifiable. Like if, if.
AYeah, it is falsified.
BSo it's like. Yeah, then we'll just admit that we were wrong.
AYeah, I mean I don't think you are going to be wrong in that it is a world changing piece of thing. But like I don't think it's different from all the other world changes.
BYeah, but that's what other world changing things. Is there anything immediate in the next 10, 15 years?
AProbably we don't know. I don't know what I don't know.
BBut that doesn't isn't how human preparedness works. Right. You need to start knowing what you don't know. You need to allocate resources.
AJust because I can't answer the question doesn't mean the answer to the question doesn't exist.
BBut there are then I'm telling you as a person who has tried to look for answers to these questions. I have read about climate change. I have read about what like other geological changes that happen. I have read about whatever water pollution.
AI mean I don't know that you have read about that much more than
BI, but I've read the meta research about what is happening at what timeline. Right. And, and I believe this one is the closest right now.
AThat is okay.
BAnd that's it. That's my falsifiable belief that this is the most transformative.
AThis is again not what I objected to at all. You said, you said it's different from everything else. And I said no, I think it's like everything else that's changing the world. Like every other world change. That's literally all I've said. And you never made the argument it's the one coming first, that's why it's different now if that's the only criterion
Byou're using, it's also different from the other things in other senses. Also one of the pace at which is arriving is different for sure, yes. But it is qualitatively different from all of these other things as well.
APossibly. I don't know.
BAnd that's all I said, like, and I'm suggesting it's a falsifiable thing that people believe in. I don't know why we were discussing this at all. Why did I bring that up? Forgot. Yeah. But I think I am at the point where it's like more harmful than recreational or like. Yeah, I also need to read some of those posts about how I learned
Ato stop worrying or don't get to it. Get to it yourself. What like just sort of learn how to disconnect.
BYeah, I think. I know. I know. The solution is to stop using Twitter. It's very simple.
AYeah. I mean, for me, I've realized the news doesn't make me anxious. It is the way news was being fed to me on Instagram that was making me anxious. Not, not very anxious. But I know that now when I consume news in whatever format I consume it now it doesn't. My emotions are not like all over the place. I'm not stretched in like five different directions.
BAlthough I was thinking about it, like a newspaper isn't very different from like browsing Twitter.
AIt is very different. One, a newspaper, an article is inherently longer than a tweet because a long tweet, an article length tweet is not incentivized to succeed. So tweets are incentivized to be shorter, snappy, grab attention and make a splash or whatever. Whereas articles purpose is to communicate a story. Second is like commitment to giving context. A tweet is not beholden to give you context. Like you earlier today, you talked about
Bthere is something to be said about like building context from like building context yourself. Right? That's also something that.
AIt is, but that is again not the point. You said a newspaper is no different from Twitter. It is so, so different.
BI'm not saying it's no different.
AObviously, I know it's different, but significantly different.
BI think like, it's also like a barrage of different news on your head in a relatively short amount of time. Like you read the newspaper in 20, 25 minutes or whatever. Right?
AThat's not a short amount of time.
BI mean it's comparable to like the input of information isn't that of from
Alike it is very off. Like if I wanted to read about what's happening specifically in the U.S. iran talks.
BOkay, your reading speed is like limit. But aren't you being thrown around so much in that also on page One on page one you're reading about.
ABut Sajan, it's a whole article. It's 300, 400 words on a subject.
BAll articles are that big, bro.
AMinimum article length even that is more than 144 characters. No.
BYeah, but I don't know. It's just.
AAnd like commitment to context. A newspaper will never give you a story out of context. A newspaper is never just the headline. No news has ever just been a headline. The headline is always followed by an article.
BYeah, but.
AAnd fact checking.
BSomeone making your argument about Twitter right now could make the same argument about news when newspapers came out that oh, you're not supposed to know about so much information about the world so quickly it will disorient your brain and ruin your life. You're supposed to just live life and through social interactions learn about the world.
AI guess the argument I will make for that is that we have not seen as many like societal and behavioral damages to humanity from from newspapers as we have seen provably from Twitter and Instagram.
BWhat are we seeing? I have not read that much.
AI mean we are seeing a lot of concerning markers. For example people's anxiety levels, loneliness is up. People's ability to make lasting relationships is down. Also people's anxiety friends social or community wise. Newspaper versus Twitter just about news. People feel simultaneously much more aware of what's happening around the world and much more anxious and helpless about how big is the study?
BLike, Like is there a big study on this? How big? I just want to know like and
Ayou can go look it up. But like the way so many problems are brought to you from with like Twitter or Instagram you feel like you are obligated to do something in each of these situations. Like turn your head here, pay attention to this, pay attention to this. But you feel powerless to help any them. Whereas with a newspaper you never feel that call to action. Like that call to action is not a newspaper's job.
BBut that seems like a some something you learned retrospectively. Like you didn't know newspapers wouldn't cause that. Get what I mean?
ATrue.
BYeah. Just my.
ABut undeniable. You also because Twitter wasn't always this bad. The algorithm evolved as.
BI don't think it's the algorithm, it's
Athe it's people human behavior which told the algorithm this is how you get more eyeballs for longest and
Bwell I guess then it kind of grew together.
ALike if you know that getting people outraged generates most engagement out of them.
BYeah.
AThen the posts that create the most outrage will be put higher.
BYeah. That's why people say like how like social media is the first misaligned AI that's been created already. It is literally run by AI algorithms. Your posts and everything are fed into some ML architecture.
AYeah. And there is no ins like there is no incentive for human welfare.
BYeah. Yeah. And it's just optimizing for time and it's like now sophisticated enough.
AIt is sucking literally value out of you.
BYeah. Yeah. Dude.
AI feel good about not
Bbro. I. I see so many things. I think it's and very simple root cause Twitter. Twitter is very addictive. I waste too much time. I'm anxious because of it. I need to reduce for sure. I'll release.
AOn Twitter.
BI'll start using Instagram now. But that's better, right? It's just memes. At least it's a good start. Yeah it's a good start. Yeah. Instagram is. It hasn't changed do maybe
APrairie Dog.
BAnd this chilling Max chilling. Bing chilling.
AThat's bing chilling if I ever seen it.
BSleep, sleep.
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ALike, Harsh is in town. He texted me I'm in New York today. He did text me weeks in advance. And he's like, kabibi dinner a biden. I'm even though Prabhjot's coming. And I told him, look, like, I don't know, maybe I'll tell you through the last minute if I can or not. I'm even though I can't.
BBut again, you're trying to, I don't know, you're trying to analyze how Kirju's making it about Prabhjot not being able to meet her when it doesn't matter what she's saying. She's making some bullshit up. She's trying. All she's trying to convey is I'm pissed off. Like, why, why are you trying to debug that? Like now you should try and debug and ask Kuju why you upset that basically you should ask, why do maybe just DM her. Like, why don't you want to meet Kirjo? You guys are like so long friends. This is clear spat. This is not about technicalities.
AThe problem is you have to like, I have already spoken to Prabhjot and she's told me all of this context. Kraju is not someone I can have
Bthis conversation with me, I guess.
AI mean, because with Prabhjot, like, but
Blike, I think you're like, if it's
Aan erroneous opinion, I can like gently walk her.
BBut start with curiosity. You know, maybe it's easier than you think. You know her for so long. Start to like, we are having this conversation.
ANo, but like, there's so many things where, like I don't even bother pursuing the conversation with you, right? Like if I know Kiye to worth it, like this person's level, like, they're not you, but like Krijzyo's offense, if I try to negate her or like try to dispute with her her, the offense she will take is not worth the problem I will solve. Like,
Byeah, but why do you. You can always step back before ever disputing her, right? All you have to do is ask her what's up, like, what is happening? And before you make that step of disputing her to cause inconvenience that outweighs this. Don't do it.
ABut then it becomes kind of weird because if I text Krizyu and she tells me that, then I become the person who knows both sides of the story. And if ever Prabhjot and Kritjeev were to discuss if ever it would be like, oh, yeah, I told me all this. And this person would also say, yeah, I told me all this. And then still the responsibility would then become mine. As someone who knew both sides of the story, maybe you should have tried to mediate. Or
Byou will literally say you did that. Because what I'm asking you to do is try and mediate. That's literally what I'm asking you to do.
AI guess so.
BIn fact, that works in your favor. You are. You did try to mediate. If you don't do it right now, is you falling into that conversation.
AI mean, I did try to mediate in that Prabhjo texted Kritjo separately first.
BYou didn't text Krijjo, right?
ANot individually, but I was the one who texted on the group to make up.
BIt says everything it has to say.
AAm what?
BThat you not texted K about this. Like, clearly she's upset at Prabjoot and you've not asked her why you're upset?
ABecause I.
BYou only heard it from one friend.
AI guess I can text.
BYou don't even have the full picture and you're taking sides, basically.
AI mean, because there's not an isolated incident.
BFair. But hear her out.
AI will hear her out. Sure. And.
BAnd you're probably right. But it would be fair at least.
ATrue. It's just that I don't. Also, I don't like the way Krijzyo talks about Prabhjot. Prabhjot's not smart. I know she's not smart, but like, that can't be your explanation for anything. This dumb girl. It'll start with this dumb girl.
BBut I think you guys are so such old friends. I just like to believe you might be.
AWe are old friends.
BI think
Athe way I see my old friendship with Ku is that I kind of get her now. And I know that these are the types of things that tick her off and these are the types of things that are. Okay. So with whatever ticks are off, I'm like, this is. You've gotten ticked off. I don't think I've done anything to tick you off. You are welcome to stew in your room like you stew in your own time, in your own space. This is not my problem. And I don't engage with her only on that. That is, I think, the result of like a successful long relationship. Like, I've accepted that these flaws are a part of her. These quirks, let's say.
BYeah.
AAre a part of her personality. And I have found workarounds where I don't have to make her quirks my problem. And it doesn't lead to friction between us. I guess I am using all relationships not to to like minimize friction. Like to. I leveraged my experience and knowledge of a person to try and minimize friction between me and them. I'm not ultimately like trying to tell people like if it's unpleasant to tell Kio. Like I think you're like picking a random hill to die on here. I'm not trying to be that person or I'll do it for some things, but I won't do it for all things. Somewhere there's a line I draw.
BBut otherwise it's fine. But it's good. No, like it's night time. It should be like this shouldn't be like daylight all the time.
ADepression lighting. Depression. It's a depression lighting.
BFinally enough. There has been research like tomorrow room 800 to thousand lumens and standard light bulb. And most of the houses homes in North America are less lit than ideal and stuff like that.
AAnd workplaces also happier. Everything I do is correct and everything you do is wrong.
BLike because of. And it comes directly from evolution. Like you were supposed to be outside in daylight. That's what you're used to as an input for light, right? Like girl, if you keep your blinds down all the time, that's not good for you at all. Yeah. No, but it's because I can't look at my screen otherwise.
ALike blinds half up. If not,
BI admit it should be larger, but it's the. The problem is the light. Then I can't see my monitor. Then what do I do?
AI don't know. I don't know.
BBecause it's so bright compared to my monitor.
AYou can't move the bed more. Right. And the desk left.
BAnd I like my desk next to the window. Yeah. Nothing about the layout can change, you know. But it's just. There is no other solution. I can have the horse side thing. But that serves the same purpose.
AI mean anti reflective film for monitors.
BIt's already a matte display IPS
Amonitor.
BBut then it's the same thing, right?
AI'm not getting the light monitor cuper so that the monitor is like inside a little like alve. Like even 2 inch cardboard SSS Taki monitor clearly.
BOh I guess like you know how
Ain a camera lens you have that little like.
BYeah.
AMonitor. But that makes everything more fun.
BI'll try just putting the second vala pura up.
AI don't know. I feel like you're also being too harsh on gossip because sometimes I'm not really gossiping with you. I'm sharing something about my life.
BYeah. I'm also saying it was probably an overreaction because of these two amplifying factors. Chokesi always being. And this. We just discussed vices. I think I didn't usually. I don't think you. Was it that much?
AI gossip a lot. I'm a gossip.
BI think you gossip. I've only seen you gossip. Mostly with Choksi, because he also gossips. I don't think you gossip.
AI gossip a lot.
BWith me, at least it's like, I'm not pissed off.
AI know. Take you off. What will not take you off. And it's not worth it to take you off.
BYeah.
AI mean, a lot of your behavior and Krijzio's behaviors are aligned. You're also very, very different. But there are some things in which I treat both of you the same also. Yeah, you're both very forceful personalities and I'm not. So some of the dynamics are the same.
BBut yeah, on some axis, we're so different also, Like, I think we come full circle in a way. Like, she starts at astrology and then you move towards, I don't know, science and then more metaphysics. And then like, you get back to, like, what the things I think about. And I'm like, I also don't know anything. You also don't know anything. Just, that's how we made our land.
AI think with her is with her. The problem is sometimes you don't know how it went from A to B. Like, with her. I do find it difficult sometimes to follow her train of thought.
BBut that's like, happens with us also. So much. Like, it's easy.
AConversation could explain it.
BYeah, Yeah. I mean, but it's not obvious. Like, we mess it up so much.
AYeah. I mean, I definitely have much more training with you in following your train of thought than with Noel.
BThey don't even have to be explainable. Like, most people can't articulate this.
AMost people can't. But I think there is value in being able to articulate it, because being able to articulate it is an indicator that reasoning was followed.
BInteresting. I mean, I agree. I'm thinking about why,
ABecause there are your brain functions in a very unstructured way. Like, if I think about apple, I could be thinking about fruit company, evolution, Adam and Eve. Like, it could be anything. But what I choose to say after that is a selection of What I think is relevant out of all these avenues that were opened. And if I can explain why I chose one avenue out of all the possible avenues, if I'm able to explain it, it means that, yes, I had a reason for going down this road. Whereas, you know that conversation you had with Priyanshi Somani where A didn't connect to B at all?
BOh, yeah.
ADo you want to read a book about black struggle?
BAll I remember is I told her I read this book and she's like, I didn't know you were a bibliophile.
AI listened to T Impala. Oh, I didn't even.
BAudio file. That's also.
AOh, I've also watched this. I didn't know you were a cinephile.
BHoly shirt. You're only able to say. You're saying articulation is proof of reason.
AArticulation is not proof. It's. It's necessary, not sufficient. Okay, but like, you should be able to give a reason for why you jumped from A to B in a conversation.
BBut it's kind of interesting, no? Don't you think about it like, I'm having an emotion. And to call it a rational emotion, I should be able to describe why
AI'm feeling that emotion.
BWhy so don't cid why so. Why is also defined in the English language. Like what you're trying to say.
AOkay, now you're getting too abstract. Come back.
BBut yeah, anyway, yeah, I. It makes sense to me what you said intuitively.
AYeah. And like, with many people, I can't follow A to B. And when I asked them to explain, they couldn't tell me how they got from A to B. People's conversation skills are dying. Like you and I sitting at this table, not looking at our phones, talking to each other in this manner. This. Even though we're not having very high quality conversation or we're not having a deep conversation about one subject. Like, you know how we look at 12 angry men and we're like, fuck. The quality of conversation. Like, the way they articulate themselves was so high. Like, this has also become inaccessible for some people.
BYeah, bro, Speaking of articulation, you need to watch network because it has great writing, very few movies. It is a genre that I really like. You love. Fall in love with the articulation, bro. It's really good.
AWhen I went to the Bay Area, I can hear when I yawn. And so I have to control how wide I open my mouth. And I've started becoming scared.
BWhat's the problem with hearing
Agrinding sound. And Ekdin like where? Like something ground. I was in the car and I yawned. And then next day, like ekpure. Then there was some, like, lingering, like pings. Not constant pain, but like randomly pings and grinding sound.
BAlso because it's happening consistently.
AThen if I yawn too wide, then it.
BBut consistently if you're on too wide,
AI don't do it anymore because.
BAnd then you stop.
AOnce, twice, multiple times it happened. That's bees Bharua. That's why it reminded me to tell you side grinding way. I can feel it, but it like. It literally sounds like stone rubbing on stone. Like rough surface of bone. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because that's how it should be. Even I can feel my jaw disconnect. But sometimes there's a grinding.
BOh, no.
ALike pathar on pathar. Rough pathar on rough path.
BBrick on brick.
AKind of like that. Yeah. Rough, hard. Rough thing on hard, rough thing.
BFleshy thing on hard thing. Interesting.
AHey, good job. Maybe problem. Thyroid. Luckily. B again. Sgnm tv update.
BYeah, but it's such a. He's very risky, man. It's worth it.
AOh, I thought you meant Nai pictures.
BBut existing.
AI mean, baby, I think.
BSomeone. I don't know. No, it's just Sasti Rani in big big. Because it's his call screen. Like I'm calling him and he's showing me.
AYeah.
BSo it's not. There's no context. No one will get it. We'll have to do it. But. Hey, they made this. Five, three. This looks good, right? Oh, is that. Oh, yeah.
AMy pondicherry trip was this day of 2019. Me on this day. Next year. Lockdown. Hey, what? Okay, You.
BIt. M.
Finally, beneath the explicit politics and economics lies a more elementary metaphysic: life is that which locally resists entropy by building and maintaining order. The esteem for builders is therefore not merely economic. It is quasi-cosmological. To construct a machine, sustain a city, preserve a culture, or extend a technical civilization is to perform the basic work by which ordered forms persist against decay. This is why the archive often shifts easily between discussions of software, industry, social order, and existential stakes. They are treated as different scales of the same struggle. From this perspective, technology is neither intrinsically emancipatory nor intrinsically alienating. It is a multiplier.
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